xAP Talk Transcript 2007 01 23
23/01/2007 15:11:57 * KevinH joins My room
23/01/2007 15:12:26 ‹KevinH› Hi J....
23/01/2007 15:12:52 ‹KevinH› I haven't eaten yet so I'll probably be called away soon...
23/01/2007 15:12:57 ‹James› hi
23/01/2007 15:13:19 ‹James› how's the bunny feeling today?
23/01/2007 15:14:55 ‹KevinH› he's remarkably well .. been hopping around all week non stop
23/01/2007 15:15:15 ‹KevinH› and he's got a friend today - different breed though
23/01/2007 15:15:34 ‹James› my little AI's got a mind of it's own at the moment. :-(
23/01/2007 15:15:45 ‹KevinH› One of Daniels embedded 1 wire xAP nodes
23/01/2007 15:15:47 ‹James› and the new breed does what?
23/01/2007 15:15:52 ‹James› ah
23/01/2007 15:16:09 ‹KevinH› Isnt that what AI is supposed to strive towards
23/01/2007 15:16:10 ‹James› is it bunny powered now?
23/01/2007 15:16:48 ‹James› yes, but i'd rather it didn't turn off the lights when i'm in the room and turn them on when i leave
23/01/2007 15:17:35 ‹KevinH› nope - still the bigger Digi Connect variety
23/01/2007 15:18:00 ‹James› so having fun with the new toy?
23/01/2007 15:18:01 ‹KevinH› obvioulsy going to be one of those problem children - I blame the parents
23/01/2007 15:18:11 ‹James› :-)
23/01/2007 15:18:27 ‹KevinH› Havent even plugged it in yet ... later
23/01/2007 15:18:41 ‹James› I've put my name down for one of those electricity meter interfaces from ukha btw
23/01/2007 15:19:14 ‹KevinH› ahh good - me too
23/01/2007 15:19:32 ‹KevinH› although I have the pulsed counters on teh Netiom as well
23/01/2007 15:19:37 ‹James› ah great, that means i don't have to xAP it. you can ;-)
23/01/2007 15:19:38 ‹KevinH› back in 1
23/01/2007 15:21:51 ‹KevinH› I'm going to be aways off that at the moment I'm thinking
23/01/2007 15:22:19 ‹James› well i suppose i could then!
23/01/2007 15:22:21 ‹KevinH› it would generate some interest on on UKHA though and I also think you get one at cost if you promise that
23/01/2007 15:22:55 ‹KevinH› I had problems withy Jabber most of these few days
23/01/2007 15:23:11 ‹KevinH› the server was disconnecting me immediately i connected
23/01/2007 15:23:44 ‹James› If it helps I've found the googletalk server very reliable
23/01/2007 15:23:46 ‹KevinH› but back on ok just today
23/01/2007 15:24:12 ‹James› must of been a wobbly moment
23/01/2007 15:24:16 ‹KevinH› that would be a good one to use maybe - would I ahve to re-authorise my contacts ?
23/01/2007 15:24:41 ‹James› yes as it would be a new account
23/01/2007 15:24:56 ‹KevinH› thought so... there's only 3 !
23/01/2007 15:25:19 ‹James› ifs xAP jabber on eof them?
23/01/2007 15:25:21 ‹KevinH› well 6 if I put your other ones back on
23/01/2007 15:25:36 ‹KevinH› yes...
23/01/2007 15:25:54 ‹KevinH› although i dont run it too often
23/01/2007 15:26:20 ‹James› it's only really of use if you connect remotly.
23/01/2007 15:26:27 ‹KevinH› Do you monitor the HS forums btw ?
23/01/2007 15:26:30 ‹James› you could alway use a jabber client on your mobile
23/01/2007 15:27:23 ‹James› Occasionally, don't often get time
23/01/2007 15:27:31 ‹KevinH› It may be useful to setup an email 'prod' when any new threads appear in teh xAp forum
23/01/2007 15:27:50 ‹KevinH› There's a guy there using X-Router
23/01/2007 15:28:04 ‹KevinH› and * now
23/01/2007 15:28:06 ‹James› last time i set it up i never got any mails from it
23/01/2007 15:28:21 ‹KevinH› it does work atm....
23/01/2007 15:28:32 ‹KevinH› one Q he has...
23/01/2007 15:29:10 ‹KevinH› Can he send a xAP message by a script in HS and select a custom UID (and presumably source address)
23/01/2007 15:29:35 ‹James› don't think so
23/01/2007 15:29:49 ‹KevinH› he wants to filter a lot of the traffic using X-Router but be able to send his own messages that will propogate
23/01/2007 15:30:25 ‹KevinH› I said I thought not .. and it would have to be a sub address he created anyway really
23/01/2007 15:30:36 ‹KevinH› or he would need hb's
23/01/2007 15:31:00 ‹KevinH› and I am not sure if he can filter in X-Router based on only subs - again I think not
23/01/2007 15:31:44 ‹KevinH› http://board.homeseer.com/showthread.php?p=754720
23/01/2007 15:33:14 ‹James› the sendxapmessage function is limited to the HS uid and 00 sub address
23/01/2007 15:34:05 ‹KevinH› yes - I expected so...
23/01/2007 15:35:21 ‹KevinH› I am not sure it's 'right' to be applying such heavy filtering - right down to a unique sub level anyway - in his case it's only a cosmetic request as he has such a fast link
23/01/2007 15:35:44 ‹James› I need to get HS installed again. Last update broke it, not sure why
23/01/2007 15:36:21 ‹James› as you say if you filter down to a sub uid then you need to still let the heartbeats through
23/01/2007 15:38:27 ‹KevinH› yes... and if he does create a non 00 UID then he needs access to the source address too - he mentions X10 going through but that's never on the main UID is it ?
23/01/2007 15:39:11 ‹James› x10 is relayed from the main HS uid
23/01/2007 15:39:30 ‹James› if the x10 device is a HS one not a xAP one
23/01/2007 15:40:54 ‹KevinH› sorry gotta dash - I'll be back later .....
23/01/2007 15:41:05 ‹James› k
23/01/2007 15:41:06 ‹KevinH› hope someone turns up soon
23/01/2007 15:41:16 ‹James› me too :-(
23/01/2007 15:44:48 * Paul_B joins My room
23/01/2007 15:45:15 ‹James› hi
23/01/2007 15:45:22 ‹Paul_B› Evening all
23/01/2007 15:45:45 ‹James› how's things
23/01/2007 15:46:18 ‹Paul_B› Good if not cold
23/01/2007 15:46:28 ‹Paul_B› You?
23/01/2007 15:46:44 ‹James› i know that feeling!
23/01/2007 15:47:13 ‹Paul_B› Glad the heating works
23/01/2007 15:47:14 ‹James› Getting some time though to finish ( or attempt to) some xAP projects
23/01/2007 15:47:39 ‹Paul_B› Good stuff
23/01/2007 15:47:49 ‹Paul_B› Is Ed normally around?
23/01/2007 15:48:16 ‹James› usually a little later.
23/01/2007 15:48:27 ‹Paul_B› oh ok
23/01/2007 15:48:49 ‹Paul_B› Was just wondering how to get the most out of the Slimserver xAP plugin
23/01/2007 15:49:19 ‹James› in the audio control sense or the display sense?
23/01/2007 15:49:26 ‹Paul_B› So what are you working on at the moment?
23/01/2007 15:49:48 ‹James› Floorplan
23/01/2007 15:49:56 ‹James› and getting it do clever things
23/01/2007 15:50:02 ‹Paul_B› Display sense. I know the News and TV plugins will send messages and they appear but I was wondering how to get better control
23/01/2007 15:50:36 ‹Paul_B› What language do you develop in?
23/01/2007 15:50:38 ‹James› most of the control as such is from the sending application
23/01/2007 15:50:41 ‹James› vb6
23/01/2007 15:50:52 * Paul G joins My room
23/01/2007 15:51:15 ‹Paul G› hi
23/01/2007 15:51:27 ‹James› hi
23/01/2007 15:51:47 ‹Paul G› just a brief visit
23/01/2007 15:52:04 ‹Paul_B› ok so someone was asking about displaying CPU temperatures on the Slimdevices forum. I suggested Speedfan and xAP plugin, but then realised I don't know how to send messages
23/01/2007 15:52:22 ‹Paul G› So anyone interested in that heating controller?
23/01/2007 15:53:02 ‹James› the speedfan app just sends date. You would need another app to receive it's data and make a display message. Floorplan can do that
23/01/2007 15:53:04 ‹Paul_B› Paul I haven't started to look at heating controls yet so can't comment
23/01/2007 15:53:04 ‹James› ( bit over kill though)
23/01/2007 15:53:35 ‹Paul_B› ok, I have the Hub app installed, but I guess I would need something else
23/01/2007 15:53:40 ‹James› I'll have to pass Paul. The only new app i'll be looking at is the electricity monitor
23/01/2007 15:54:00 ‹Paul_B› James, tell me more
23/01/2007 15:54:09 ‹Paul_B› what elec monitor?
23/01/2007 15:54:10 ‹Paul G› for the eltrisave thingy?
23/01/2007 15:54:32 ‹James› PG, yes PB - more on which bit?
23/01/2007 15:54:34 ‹Paul G› I've got one of those - batteries ran out pretty quickly though
23/01/2007 15:55:09 ‹James› i'll plug it in then ;-)
23/01/2007 15:55:10 ‹Paul_B› Electricity monitor, I spent a month trying to find a device
23/01/2007 15:55:10 ‹Paul G› would be great to get proper charts etc
23/01/2007 15:55:25 ‹James› It's the electrisave device
23/01/2007 15:55:47 ‹James› Someone on ukha has reversed the protocol and is making a little adapter
23/01/2007 15:55:49 ‹Paul_B› Is that the clamp device that fits around the incoming supply?
23/01/2007 15:55:55 ‹Paul G› you going to xAPise it then?
23/01/2007 15:56:00 ‹Paul_B› Oh yeah saw that
23/01/2007 15:56:11 ‹James› Yep i plan a logging/graphing and alerting
23/01/2007 15:56:19 ‹James› app
23/01/2007 15:56:34 ‹Paul G› cool - you doing all the software side or in combination with someone else?
23/01/2007 15:57:07 ‹James› I would imagine the xpl people will do their own one and i'm sure other will do one too.
23/01/2007 15:57:40 ‹Paul_B› Be interested in that too. Currently I am using a consumer unit device with pulse output that I feed into the Idratek pulse counter and displays on a graph
23/01/2007 15:57:45 ‹James› mine will certainly have scripable events and all the usual twiddly bits
23/01/2007 15:57:49 ‹Paul G› good way of getting more people into xAP - need to get lots more interested though to make sure it doesn't die out in the future
23/01/2007 15:59:25 ‹James› well if you could get the idradek data on to xaP there is no reason why it couldn't monitor it too. KH does similar witha netiom on his pulse output
23/01/2007 15:59:38 ‹James› PG, yes more interest would be a good thing
23/01/2007 15:59:55 ‹Paul G› right - must go already - see you later
23/01/2007 16:00:10 ‹James› wow that was a quick stop!
23/01/2007 16:00:15 ‹James› bfn
23/01/2007 16:00:43 ‹Paul G› yes - under orders - BTW - get that Vista installed so you can write us some great gadgets!!!!!!
23/01/2007 16:01:15 ‹James› I don't get licenses for a while as they delay the education releases
23/01/2007 16:01:30 ‹James› which is really annoying
23/01/2007 16:01:36 ‹Paul G› yeah
23/01/2007 16:01:40 ‹Paul_B› Yes I have spoken to Vivian at Idratek about xPA support, they already support xPL
23/01/2007 16:01:46 ‹Paul G› right - bye
23/01/2007 16:01:57 ‹James› bye
23/01/2007 16:02:13 ‹James› And Vivian was supportive of the idea?
23/01/2007 16:03:00 * Paul G quit (timeout)
23/01/2007 16:03:45 ‹Paul_B› yes, said something bit be released this month. That was back in November so I need to email him again
23/01/2007 16:04:10 ‹James› a little nagging can usually speed things up ;-)
23/01/2007 16:06:36 ‹Paul_B› Yeah, need to ask them about the Octal input unit as well as the firmware doesn't currently allow pulse input
23/01/2007 16:07:31 ‹James› quite a flaw on an input device
23/01/2007 16:08:44 ‹Paul_B› I think it is one of the newer modules and firmware improvements are on the way
23/01/2007 16:09:20 ‹James› at least they are activly doing things. makes a change from some hardware suppliers
23/01/2007 16:10:07 ‹Paul_B› They are incredibly responsive they always respond to my email in a timely fashion with in depth information
23/01/2007 16:11:10 ‹James› that's alwasy nice to know. especially as their hardware is running your house!
23/01/2007 16:11:16 ‹Paul_B› Software is good if a little unpretty
23/01/2007 16:11:47 ‹James› once they have xAP you can do the pretty elsewhere
23/01/2007 16:11:48 ‹Paul_B› I like the idea of interfacing other technolgies, hence my interest in xAP
23/01/2007 16:12:37 ‹James› well it does certainly open the door to interfacing all sorts of things
23/01/2007 16:13:10 ‹Paul_B› Who wrote the MCE plugin? Have you tried it?
23/01/2007 16:13:51 ‹James› Stuart Booth, I don't have MCE so never used it I use XBMC instead
23/01/2007 16:16:10 ‹Paul_B› XBMC? Is that Xbox hack?
23/01/2007 16:17:07 ‹James› it's not really a hack, but it does need a modded xbox. It's a brilliant media player though
23/01/2007 16:18:13 ‹Paul_B› I heard Xboxes are quite noisey because of the fan is that true?
23/01/2007 16:18:19 ‹James› and i xAPped it to do callerid popups like this http://www.mi4.biz/files/xbmc/xbmccallerid.jpg
23/01/2007 16:18:44 ‹James› a little noisy but if i could be bothered to I could just swap the fan
23/01/2007 16:19:11 ‹Paul_B› Now callerid is something I would like to add soon. But does it need specific modems?
23/01/2007 16:19:35 ‹James› you're in the uk?
23/01/2007 16:19:44 ‹Paul_B› I am not sure which way to go with Video streaming and PVR
23/01/2007 16:19:46 ‹Paul_B› yes
23/01/2007 16:20:11 ‹James› a Metoer is the most reliable in the uk, an old Pace modem works too
23/01/2007 16:20:38 ‹Paul_B› are Metoer still made?
23/01/2007 16:20:41 ‹James› and some USrobotics sportsters do too
23/01/2007 16:20:52 ‹James› yep. but it's not cheap!
23/01/2007 16:22:08 ‹James› http://www.pathwaydata.co.uk/
23/01/2007 16:22:40 * Paul_B quit (timeout)
23/01/2007 16:22:59 ‹Paul_B› hmmm what is!
23/01/2007 16:23:31 ‹Paul_B› oops
23/01/2007 16:23:46 ‹Paul_B› what do you use?
23/01/2007 16:23:57 ‹James› a meteor
23/01/2007 16:24:04 ‹James› connected to xAPTel
23/01/2007 16:24:13 ‹James› logged by xAP Switchboard
23/01/2007 16:24:23 ‹James› announced by xAP Speech
23/01/2007 16:24:28 ‹James› Linked to Outlook
23/01/2007 16:24:41 ‹James› and displayed on my XBMC and slimp3s
23/01/2007 16:25:02 ‹Paul_B› I like that idea
23/01/2007 16:25:38 ‹James› Kevin did a diagram of possible interactions possible:
23/01/2007 16:25:39 ‹James› http://www.mi4.biz/modules.php?name=Content&;pa=showpage&pid=58
23/01/2007 16:26:09 ‹Paul_B› So who are the main stakeholders of xAP?
23/01/2007 16:27:37 ‹James› There are about 10 developers and then various companies that have added xAP support
23/01/2007 16:27:54 ‹James› people keep popping up
23/01/2007 16:28:17 ‹James› always interested in more help though ;-)
23/01/2007 16:29:39 ‹Paul_B› My skills are limited as I am self taught VB Scripter. However, with the upcoming xAP framework based on .Net 2 maybe I have a chance
23/01/2007 16:30:45 ‹KevinH› Back... Hi P
23/01/2007 16:30:56 ‹Paul_B› Hi Kevin
23/01/2007 16:31:11 ‹James› I know Edwards getting close on the .net2 code. If you do have free time then things like the wiki or guides always need writing and updating
23/01/2007 16:31:20 ‹Paul_B› I guess with .Net integration then you can also use Powershell
23/01/2007 16:31:34 ‹James› quite probably
23/01/2007 16:32:04 ‹James› I have never used .net though. Must do one day.. or maybe java..
23/01/2007 16:32:16 ‹Paul_B› cool, what happened to the xapframework website. I found it quite frustrating when I first learnt of xAP
23/01/2007 16:33:25 ‹Paul_B› I am a Systems Engineer rather than developer but learning how to automate and script, it is so powerful
23/01/2007 16:33:29 ‹James› the hosting company went bust and backups wern't available. We've just got the domain pointed to the wiki now, which atleast explains things. Before as you say it was just an anoying black hole.
23/01/2007 16:34:04 ‹Paul_B› :-o
23/01/2007 16:34:11 ‹James› You may wnat to look at Floorplan as it's fully scriptable by vbscript so you'll fell right at home
23/01/2007 16:34:26 ‹Paul_B› :-)
23/01/2007 16:36:10 ‹James› I'm thnking Java is the way to go. That way you get proper cross platform usage.
23/01/2007 16:36:09 ‹KevinH› Right - caught up now....
23/01/2007 16:37:04 ‹KevinH› P - Do have a play with xAP Floorplan - it can do amazing things and is an ideal way to tie xAP bits together ... particularly if you know VBS
23/01/2007 16:37:17 ‹James› I've just found my Occupancy bug :-D
23/01/2007 16:37:35 ‹Paul_B› I guess
23/01/2007 16:38:02 ‹James› Paul, have a look at this http://www.mi4.biz/modules.php?name=News&;file=article&sid=144
23/01/2007 16:38:06 ‹KevinH› In fact although it is called 'Floorplan' you really don't have to use it in a floorplan mode - it's perhaps slightly misleading - it can be used to create any realtime graphic interface via a web browser
23/01/2007 16:38:35 ‹KevinH› or you dont even have to have a GUI - just use teh script engine
23/01/2007 16:38:38 ‹James› a new name may be a good idea.. maybe Bob ;-)
23/01/2007 16:38:48 ‹Paul_B› cool will have a look and persuade Idratek to get an xAP plugin
23/01/2007 16:39:48 ‹James› assuming Idratek use the standard schemas Floorplan will automatically detect and setup deviecs for it
23/01/2007 16:39:58 ‹Paul_B› ok where is data logged as this is a major downside on Idratek?
23/01/2007 16:39:58 ‹KevinH› The other interesting thing about FP is it uses AJAX which is a realtime communications layer taht sits behind a web browser - this means that images and values change state graphically in realtime - not just when you do a browser refresh
23/01/2007 16:40:50 ‹KevinH› I feel a J moment coming up any sec....
23/01/2007 16:41:10 ‹Paul_B› I have heard a lot about AJAX but as I say I am a newbie to development
23/01/2007 16:41:14 ‹James› which is what is powering that squeezebox display in that demo
23/01/2007 16:42:20 ‹KevinH› you dont have to know anything about AJAX - its just there - its actually the same sort of technology that thinsg like Google earth and Maps use ... maybe not quite on teh saem level though
23/01/2007 16:42:24 ‹Paul_B› So with xAP as the standard protocol where can you log the various data from the various systems?
23/01/2007 16:43:06 ‹Paul_B› ok I am familiar with Google maps and found that quite easy to use when creating diretcions for our weeding
23/01/2007 16:43:22 ‹Paul_B› weeding doh I meant wedding
23/01/2007 16:43:28 ‹KevinH› Re the data logging Floorplan has the integrated ability to log each device independently to a database so you can chooses as little or as much as you want
23/01/2007 16:43:32 ‹Paul_B› 8-)
23/01/2007 16:43:42 ‹James› a few apps do their own logging. Apps liek floorplan log all devices ( unless configured not to)/. You can also use a database connector and just log all mesages toa db
23/01/2007 16:43:50 ‹Paul_B› So could I use MySQL?
23/01/2007 16:44:07 ‹KevinH› I was going to say I didnt realise the terrain pictures were quite good enough for weeding
23/01/2007 16:44:15 ‹James› currently an mdb, but just adding odbc to floorplan as we speak
23/01/2007 16:44:26 ‹Paul_B› cool
23/01/2007 16:44:40 ‹Paul_B› bbs
23/01/2007 16:45:45 ‹KevinH› BSC devices (and others) just get supported automaticaly in FP too
23/01/2007 16:46:17 ‹KevinH› In fact teh SlimServer when detected by FP pops in a control and a display... maybe that was the link J posted ??
23/01/2007 16:46:54 ‹Paul_B› Ok maybe time for a play of Floorplan on my home-server
23/01/2007 16:46:55 ‹James› yep that link was the flash demo
23/01/2007 16:47:37 ‹Paul_B› So where is xAP going? Interesting to see MS getting into the Home-server market
23/01/2007 16:47:40 ‹KevinH› There is one problem with FP though......
23/01/2007 16:47:56 ‹KevinH› It turns ON lights when you're out and off when you're in....
23/01/2007 16:48:03 ‹KevinH› ;-)
23/01/2007 16:48:10 ‹James› It's going as far as possible
23/01/2007 16:48:59 ‹James› I just fixed that.. daft AI module I had it taking sunrise/sunset data the wrong way round so it switched modes at the wrong time
23/01/2007 16:49:27 ‹KevinH› xAP is always going to be hard to snowball as there's no money or marketing behind it but the great thing is it alows you to do things that just weren't clear how to before
23/01/2007 16:49:57 ‹James› and most of it being free helps too
23/01/2007 16:50:17 ‹Paul_B› What has got me into HA is the ability to make the house more intelligent, to save energy, to make the mundane automatic, to give me information on why my elec bill is high this month
23/01/2007 16:50:21 ‹KevinH› Its as close to a 'how to' as possible for do it yourself HA for any computer enthusiast prepared to learn a little
23/01/2007 16:51:04 ‹James› PG, that all sounds very possible
23/01/2007 16:51:16 ‹James› PB i mean
23/01/2007 16:51:20 ‹Paul_B› It seems to be MS aligned, is that by deisgn or accident? In contrast xPL seems more Linux based
23/01/2007 16:51:21 ‹KevinH› Amy electric and Gas usage is horrendous - I know how to tackle teh electric but the gas interest me in terms of getting better heating management
23/01/2007 16:51:54 ‹James› Gregg does alot of linux xAP stuff. Asterisk Zonemider, misterhouse..
23/01/2007 16:52:26 ‹KevinH› Actually funny story P - I have automatic lighting in my lounge on 3 lights linked. I altered the setup to take one light out of teh group.....
23/01/2007 16:52:35 ‹Paul_B› Same here Kevin, although my electricity use is twice the national average
23/01/2007 16:52:36 ‹James› If i could program in anything else bar VB i would want my stuff cross platform
23/01/2007 16:53:06 ‹KevinH› When it didnt work next day teh bulb was changed three times before someone realised it wasnt a dud bulb - they depended so much on it just working
23/01/2007 16:53:22 ‹Paul_B› hehehe
23/01/2007 16:53:31 ‹James› O, I need a straw Poll for an idea
23/01/2007 16:53:36 ‹KevinH› RealBasic ?
23/01/2007 16:54:23 ‹KevinH› Ill swap you your gas bill for mine...
23/01/2007 16:54:27 ‹James› I was wanting house occupancy based on bluetooth from phones. I could do it but would have to use a commercial control. So the app would cost. Would there be a market?
23/01/2007 16:54:57 ‹James› Realbasic requires a re-write. so i may as well learn java :-(
23/01/2007 16:55:17 ‹Paul_B› Is that a simple empty occupied or more accurate on number of people?
23/01/2007 16:55:30 ‹KevinH› Not for me im afraid - I hate mobile phones (with a passion) and throw mine in the hall switched off when I get home...
23/01/2007 16:56:00 ‹James› I would detect the presence of phones. So it would know who is home by thier phone ID
23/01/2007 16:56:36 ‹Paul_B› I have always thought about linking HA to the Security alarm. Alarm set house empty, alram unset house occupied
23/01/2007 16:56:40 ‹KevinH› but I can see for others it would be quite interesting -- you 'personally' have 4 emails announced when you arrive home and personal tel calls routed to teh room you are in ...
23/01/2007 16:57:07 ‹James› wouldn't be for occupancy lighting as it's not precise. PIRs,breakbemas etc are better for that.
23/01/2007 16:57:16 ‹KevinH› I use exactly that P...
23/01/2007 16:57:20 ‹Paul_B› Idratek, sorry, uses PIR and reed switches to calculate prescence
23/01/2007 16:57:25 ‹James› indeed personal announcements of emails/ missed calls etc
23/01/2007 16:58:01 ‹KevinH› you coould write teh BT driver ... ;-)
23/01/2007 16:58:10 ‹KevinH› is it expensive ?
23/01/2007 16:58:11 ‹James› argg C!
23/01/2007 16:58:19 ‹KevinH› ahhhh C
23/01/2007 16:58:29 ‹James› it's not much I'll probably buy it anyway
23/01/2007 16:58:37 ‹KevinH› ... well at the moment anyway...
23/01/2007 16:59:11 ‹KevinH› Salling Clicker uses BT local identification
23/01/2007 17:00:40 ‹KevinH› its only $23.95 and you may be able to utilise that aspect to aid you with other thinsg it can do too
23/01/2007 17:00:54 ‹Paul_B› Well guys bed is calling and more hassle at work tomorrow. Have fun and see you next week? I'll download Floorplan for aplay
23/01/2007 17:01:08 ‹KevinH› You have an automated bed ?
23/01/2007 17:01:22 ‹KevinH› with TTS ?
23/01/2007 17:01:28 ‹Paul_B› I wish I had an automated me
23/01/2007 17:01:32 ‹KevinH› very leading edge
23/01/2007 17:01:50 ‹KevinH› Nite - if you ahve any Q's on FP just shout - the support is good...
23/01/2007 17:02:05 ‹James› and the apps pretty good too ;-)
23/01/2007 17:02:12 ‹James› nite!
23/01/2007 17:02:44 * Paul_B quit (timeout)
23/01/2007 17:03:12 ‹KevinH› The one thing I wish I had in my C debugger was the ability to break when a variable changes value...
23/01/2007 17:03:45 ‹James› yes, i can see that being usegful
23/01/2007 17:04:03 ‹James› unless you have a crystal ball that is
23/01/2007 17:04:32 ‹James› did you get those headers I sent from your email last week?
23/01/2007 17:04:54 ‹KevinH› I have a lot of 'event driven' things happening and the problems I have had are now quite timing linked, combinations of things that change many times per second...
23/01/2007 17:05:23 ‹James› added with the spurious data stream from the HV
23/01/2007 17:05:24 ‹KevinH› Ahh yes .. the mail from Huddersfield is slow currently
23/01/2007 17:05:44 ‹James› 2 days is a bit excessive.. too many pies i guess
23/01/2007 17:06:02 ‹KevinH› Actually I didnt look in detail where it lodged for a couple of days...
23/01/2007 17:06:12 ‹KevinH› was it on NTL's server ?
23/01/2007 17:06:23 ‹KevinH› looks
23/01/2007 17:06:34 ‹James› aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com
23/01/2007 17:08:32 ‹KevinH› yep.... just looking - could that be cos it couldn't pass it to serv01.siteground138.com ?
23/01/2007 17:09:03 ‹KevinH› I guess not as the later one went through immediaqtely
23/01/2007 17:09:07 ‹James› dont' think so as Lehane's email with his copy of the chat arrived straight away
23/01/2007 17:09:21 ‹KevinH› yep...
23/01/2007 17:09:44 ‹KevinH› NTL does seem to have some black holes
23/01/2007 17:10:41 ‹James› I've got an early start tommorow, so going to have to call it a night
23/01/2007 17:10:52 ‹KevinH› Daniels 1-wire device has an interesting aspect...
23/01/2007 17:11:01 ‹James› yes?
23/01/2007 17:11:20 ‹KevinH› It can form ongoing control messages based on monitoring its 1-wire devices - so really our first embedded control engine
23/01/2007 17:11:42 ‹KevinH› so if temp > X then send this message to Y
23/01/2007 17:11:43 ‹James› that's clever
23/01/2007 17:12:10 ‹KevinH› and its quite powerful , multiple conditions...
23/01/2007 17:12:33 ‹KevinH› anyway Ill let you ZZ - hope the light doesn't come on just as you drop off
23/01/2007 17:13:22 ‹James› well i'm pretty sure it's fixed. Also need to test it switches from sleep mode to normal mode in the morning
23/01/2007 17:13:24 ‹James› nite
23/01/2007 17:13:45 ‹KevinH› even I dont do that (sleep to normal first thing)
23/01/2007 17:13:49 ‹KevinH› nite