xAP Talk Transcript 2006 10 24
24/10/2006 15:11:50 * James joins My room
24/10/2006 15:25:09 * KevinH joins My room
24/10/2006 15:26:19 ‹KevinH› Nobody here :-(
24/10/2006 15:26:42 ‹James› that's nice, jsut call me nobody :-(
24/10/2006 15:26:56 ‹James› ;-)
24/10/2006 15:27:01 ‹KevinH› Ahh sorry
24/10/2006 15:27:09 ‹KevinH› Missed the no date on that line ?
24/10/2006 15:27:23 ‹KevinH› How's things ?
24/10/2006 15:28:01 ‹James› have relatives staying over at teh mo so time is limited and rather disjointed
24/10/2006 15:31:06 ‹KevinH› Sorry - just trying to get a s-vhs plug in - whoever designed those wants shooting
24/10/2006 15:32:14 ‹KevinH› I'm getting back into the sorrows of C :-(
24/10/2006 15:32:47 ‹KevinH› Have u been following PG's exploits with HV and HS ?
24/10/2006 15:33:14 ‹James› i email to say i'd look at it tomorrow. should have a free house by then
24/10/2006 15:33:19 ‹James› you liove C really
24/10/2006 15:33:42 ‹KevinH› I don't mind it until I have to do anything complex with strings
24/10/2006 15:34:21 ‹James› is this the HV or the BSC mapper unit you are playing with?
24/10/2006 15:34:54 ‹KevinH› ..and everytime they issue bug fixes to the dev environment I lose big chunks of what used to be free RAM when I compile
24/10/2006 15:35:13 ‹KevinH› HV - mapper works well
24/10/2006 15:35:33 * max joins My room
24/10/2006 15:35:41 ‹KevinH› I haven't released mapper cos it hasn't got a config interface yet though
24/10/2006 15:35:44 ‹max› evening all
24/10/2006 15:35:55 ‹James› hi max
24/10/2006 15:36:16 ‹KevinH› Usual story - works for me - but making it work for everyone triples teh code and dev time
24/10/2006 15:36:19 ‹KevinH› Hi Max
24/10/2006 15:36:52 ‹James› only triples, i'd times it by ten
24/10/2006 15:37:22 ‹KevinH› probably ..
24/10/2006 15:37:31 ‹KevinH› What u up to Max ?
24/10/2006 15:37:50 ‹max› just been messing with jabber. my new favourite toy
24/10/2006 15:38:23 ‹KevinH› I haven't played yet - did u find an MSN transport ?
24/10/2006 15:38:30 ‹KevinH› Also is there a Skype one ?
24/10/2006 15:38:40 ‹max› struggling to find a transport that doiesnt reboot daily
24/10/2006 15:38:45 ‹James› no skype as far asa i know
24/10/2006 15:38:59 ‹max› the reboot seems to disconnect jabber every time
24/10/2006 15:39:26 ‹max› does jabber try to reconnect at all J?
24/10/2006 15:39:36 ‹James› it should reconnect
24/10/2006 15:39:36 ‹KevinH› Strange lack of Skype as the API is really open..
24/10/2006 15:39:55 ‹James› it does here when i reboot my server
24/10/2006 15:40:09 ‹James› skype doesn't have an API for teh protocol
24/10/2006 15:40:49 ‹max› quite often i'll look it the GUI and see disconnected 200+ minutes
24/10/2006 15:41:11 ‹max› over a thousand the other day
24/10/2006 15:41:48 ‹max› best MSN tranport I've found seems to be tuff.org.uk
24/10/2006 15:41:54 ‹KevinH› sorry - I know nothing about Jabber I'm afraid but Skype has the ability to sned and receive, send /rx files and communicate its contact status - I guess it doesn't have teh ability to introduce unknown contacts too well though
24/10/2006 15:42:00 ‹James› I'll have to try and get mine to do that. I've been having issues with my server so have bee rebooting it alot and it always reconnects
24/10/2006 15:42:46 ‹James› jabber does all those things too
24/10/2006 15:43:11 ‹James› skype just has no api for communicating from 3rd party clients. everything has to go through their client
24/10/2006 15:43:13 ‹KevinH› I must look at Jabber I guess - as those comments are probably stupid - it just seems if the API offers those it could interconnect in some way
24/10/2006 15:43:52 ‹KevinH› (albeit you had to create a relay Skype ID)
24/10/2006 15:44:34 ‹max› message targeting work really well. just had a comfort alert routed to my mobile
24/10/2006 15:45:17 ‹James› but if you had a server that needed to connect 2000 users with their own skype accounts then the server would need to run 2000 copies of teh skype client, but afaik you can only run one per pc
24/10/2006 15:45:29 ‹KevinH› So tell me what I should use.. client wise and service wise if those are sensible Q's ?
24/10/2006 15:45:57 ‹James› Spark isn't bad as a client
24/10/2006 15:46:03 ‹James› or Pandion
24/10/2006 15:46:06 ‹KevinH› I agree it's not expandable beyond one - but neither is my Ajax currently ;-)
24/10/2006 15:47:06 ‹James› one day, one day!
24/10/2006 15:48:54 ‹KevinH› where do I find Spark ..
24/10/2006 15:49:29 ‹James› try this one for now http://www.pandion.be/
24/10/2006 15:49:39 ‹KevinH› I found Pandion..
24/10/2006 15:50:00 ‹James› http://www.jivesoftware.org/
24/10/2006 15:52:01 ‹max› got to run, bye for now
24/10/2006 15:52:10 ‹James› bfn
24/10/2006 15:52:28 ‹KevinH› so who can I talk to :'(
24/10/2006 15:52:42 ‹KevinH› on Jabber
24/10/2006 15:53:32 * max quit (timeout)
24/10/2006 15:54:45 ‹James› i sent the address over
24/10/2006 15:55:40 ‹KevinH› awaiting auth
24/10/2006 15:56:28 ‹James› not showed up here though
24/10/2006 15:57:08 ‹KevinH› the fact this is on the pandion.be server doesn't matter ?
24/10/2006 15:57:24 ‹James› no
24/10/2006 15:59:50 ‹KevinH› So within Jabber it doesn't have it's own directory I can search ?
24/10/2006 16:00:00 ‹KevinH› So 2b thick here
24/10/2006 16:00:07 ‹James› well panion.be isn't talking to our server so maybe not a good choice!. try jabber.org.uk
24/10/2006 16:00:07 ‹KevinH› sorry 2b..
24/10/2006 16:00:37 ‹James› each server has it's own search of it's own db and there are global telephone books that are being set up
24/10/2006 16:00:40 * Paul G joins My room
24/10/2006 16:01:01 ‹Paul G› Hi
24/10/2006 16:01:40 ‹James› hi
24/10/2006 16:02:07 ‹Paul G› Anything interesting been going on?
24/10/2006 16:02:54 ‹James› just too little free time
24/10/2006 16:03:04 ‹Paul G› :'(
24/10/2006 16:03:12 ‹James› indeed
24/10/2006 16:03:28 ‹Paul G› so tell me about xAP HS
24/10/2006 16:03:38 ‹Paul G› can I achieve
24/10/2006 16:04:05 ‹Paul G› running a script based on receiving a tts.start message?
24/10/2006 16:04:34 ‹Paul G› I tried to get a script running via a variable update - but didn't get anywhere
24/10/2006 16:04:35 * Gregg joins My room
24/10/2006 16:05:05 ‹James› in theory yes, but i can't check as i need to re s setup HS on another pc.
24/10/2006 16:05:29 ‹James› should just be settiing up the variable and then triggering the script not much more
24/10/2006 16:05:54 ‹Paul G› ok. My logic was to do something in HS based on just a xAP message received - rather than a variable change etc - is this possible?
24/10/2006 16:06:02 ‹James› make sure that xAP speech isnot in teh 'new devices' list as if it is HS will not process the messages from it
24/10/2006 16:06:24 ‹Paul G› one of the problems is that HS didn't seem to be getting many of the tts.start and stop messages
24/10/2006 16:07:06 ‹Paul G› it took MANY attempts for speech to show up in the new devices after re-detecting
24/10/2006 16:07:18 * Edward joins My room
24/10/2006 16:07:22 ‹Paul G› I had to keep re-sending messages from viewer
24/10/2006 16:07:59 ‹James› no idea there. it should just popup unless something is really slowing HS down
24/10/2006 16:08:36 ‹James› You could just user Floorplan to do the scripting? alongside HS
24/10/2006 16:09:07 ‹Paul G› I didn't really want to add yet another app - so many running already
24/10/2006 16:09:28 ‹James› k
24/10/2006 16:10:27 ‹Paul G› BSC doesn't seem to work logically - sending an on/off message just changes the state text but not fire off an X10 command
24/10/2006 16:10:39 ‹Paul G› is this how it's meant to be?
24/10/2006 16:12:06 ‹James› BSC should work fine. what fails is the internal state structure of HS
24/10/2006 16:14:02 ‹Paul G› how so?
24/10/2006 16:14:10 ‹James› translating the On,off,dim states which is all HS uses to BSC is not exactly straight forward
24/10/2006 16:14:41 ‹Paul G› the underlying HS concept is just a little out-dated it seems!!!
24/10/2006 16:14:45 ‹KevinH› I see no logicality in HS requiring an X10 command to be sent to control a non X10 device though (eg HV)
24/10/2006 16:15:32 ‹KevinH› My support ticket is still open with HS on the HV plugin issue
24/10/2006 16:15:50 ‹Paul G› did changing the port number help at all?
24/10/2006 16:15:59 ‹Paul G› or the .ini file?
24/10/2006 16:16:49 ‹KevinH› Those were not the issue - for some reason HV was using a port that also was used by teh CM11 X10 interafce
24/10/2006 16:17:04 ‹KevinH› bad plugin design
24/10/2006 16:17:28 ‹KevinH› I have HV talking to HS (at least the init is OK) but i can't geta config dialog box
24/10/2006 16:17:29 ‹Paul G› so the port numbers were showing OK in the web interface and the .ini file - but it was still using another port?
24/10/2006 16:17:35 ‹KevinH› yes
24/10/2006 16:17:44 ‹Paul G› ah ok - that bloomin box!
24/10/2006 16:18:28 ‹KevinH› The web interface showed N/A and was not editable - the .ini said port 1 and the log startup showed a failure on port1 but in fact it was using port 3 !
24/10/2006 16:19:01 ‹KevinH› Anyway I have config buttons but program runtime errors if I click them
24/10/2006 16:19:05 ‹James› with out a HV will I be able to get the HV plugin to do anything?
24/10/2006 16:19:16 ‹KevinH› nope
24/10/2006 16:19:16 ‹James› will it even start?
24/10/2006 16:19:28 ‹KevinH› even with one I can't ;-)
24/10/2006 16:19:39 ‹Paul G› ah OK - poor design as you said. In fact Rick Tinker mentioned something about the port settings being in the wrong place - but said he fixed it a while back
24/10/2006 16:19:41 ‹James› lol
24/10/2006 16:19:48 ‹KevinH› It will fail at startup
24/10/2006 16:20:31 ‹Paul G› we need someone to write a new plugin - HS aren't interested!
24/10/2006 16:20:47 ‹KevinH› you should get a xAP HV interface
24/10/2006 16:21:10 ‹James› indeed, much better way of doing it
24/10/2006 16:21:29 ‹Paul G› mmm - there was one but it had that mem leak - so was unuseable!
24/10/2006 16:21:30 ‹KevinH› ;-)
24/10/2006 16:21:50 ‹Paul G› 8-|
24/10/2006 16:22:00 ‹KevinH› maybe an embedded one would be better ?
24/10/2006 16:22:14 ‹Paul G› wot - in HV itself?
24/10/2006 16:22:20 ‹James› do you know where one can be purchased from K?
24/10/2006 16:22:57 ‹KevinH› I think I have a email address somewhere but AFAIK it's a few weeks from being generally available
24/10/2006 16:23:12 ‹Paul G› ;)
24/10/2006 16:23:43 ‹KevinH› HV is unfortunately very X10 'modelled' too
24/10/2006 16:24:05 ‹KevinH› You will want HV to C-Bus anyway Paul ...
24/10/2006 16:24:49 ‹Paul G› indeed!
24/10/2006 16:25:08 ‹Paul G› did you say this will have xAP functionality too???
24/10/2006 16:25:16 ‹KevinH› You have HV pro .. right ?
24/10/2006 16:25:23 ‹Paul G› yes
24/10/2006 16:25:34 ‹KevinH› with any expansion units ?
24/10/2006 16:25:54 ‹Paul G› yes - one MFEB
24/10/2006 16:26:04 ‹Paul G› but it's not now being used
24/10/2006 16:26:07 ‹KevinH› hmm - you would have ;-)
24/10/2006 16:26:20 ‹Paul G› as it was used to integrate my old
24/10/2006 16:26:26 ‹KevinH› and what I/O do you use on HV ?
24/10/2006 16:26:32 ‹Paul G› Kustom amp - IR 'injector'
24/10/2006 16:26:50 ‹Paul G› garage door, and a few otther relays
24/10/2006 16:27:03 ‹Paul G› bits and pieces
24/10/2006 16:27:07 ‹KevinH› so the input and output parallel ports
24/10/2006 16:27:18 ‹KevinH› serial ?
24/10/2006 16:27:23 ‹KevinH› temp ?
24/10/2006 16:27:29 ‹KevinH› analog ?
24/10/2006 16:27:39 ‹Paul G› - on-board serial are used I think
24/10/2006 16:27:48 ‹Paul G› serial to comfort and PC
24/10/2006 16:27:48 ‹KevinH› thermostats ?
24/10/2006 16:27:53 ‹Paul G› maybe one spare???
24/10/2006 16:28:07 ‹Paul G› no thermostats ATM - although I have some dallas
24/10/2006 16:28:19 ‹KevinH› It's just that all these need to be supported via xAP if you need to control them from it
24/10/2006 16:28:23 ‹Paul G› my dog just farted - bloomin smelly!
24/10/2006 16:28:36 ‹Paul G› ah ok
24/10/2006 16:28:38 ‹KevinH› no xAp schema for that
24/10/2006 16:29:01 ‹Paul G› isn't there a simple - output/input control?
24/10/2006 16:29:18 ‹James› KT has a schema for it, there is a xAP Dog application
24/10/2006 16:29:54 ‹KevinH› I have a barking dog X10 - maybe I could add some params to that
24/10/2006 16:30:30 ‹Paul G› So what I would want is a method for reporting input and output, variables etc
24/10/2006 16:30:56 ‹KevinH› I will try and expose HV I/O as BSC devcies but it would help if you could forewarn me of which I/O specifically you are usinga nd need control or status reporting of
24/10/2006 16:30:57 ‹Paul G› and a method to simply control inputs, outputs, flags, variables and macros!!!
24/10/2006 16:31:01 ‹Paul G› simple ;)
24/10/2006 16:31:33 ‹KevinH› Do you use the exp unit outputs and inputs ?
24/10/2006 16:31:47 ‹Paul G› OK - I'll do an audit and 'remember' what I've got going on
24/10/2006 16:32:10 ‹KevinH› I dont have an exp unit so I can't test those...
24/10/2006 16:32:14 ‹Paul G› not currently - although now they're free, I may well do in the future...
24/10/2006 16:32:28 ‹KevinH› and temp sensors ???
24/10/2006 16:32:35 ‹Paul G› you could always borrow mine I guess?
24/10/2006 16:32:44 ‹Paul G› none currently connected
24/10/2006 16:32:53 ‹KevinH› thermostats ?
24/10/2006 16:32:58 ‹Paul G› no
24/10/2006 16:33:06 ‹KevinH› you use IR ?
24/10/2006 16:33:20 ‹Paul G› ah yes
24/10/2006 16:33:29 ‹KevinH› input and output ?
24/10/2006 16:33:55 ‹KevinH› Flags, vars and macros are no real issue
24/10/2006 16:34:00 ‹Paul G› currently input and perform macros based on inputs
24/10/2006 16:34:09 ‹KevinH› periodic and scheduled events I can trigger and report I think
24/10/2006 16:34:20 ‹KevinH› so no IR sending ?#
24/10/2006 16:34:29 ‹Paul G› um - and yes, I do use outputs - to control a Sky box (for radio)
24/10/2006 16:34:42 ‹Paul G› although it's currently broken
24/10/2006 16:34:48 ‹KevinH› and .. the real killer do you use teh built in video screens at all ?
24/10/2006 16:35:20 ‹Paul G› I did - but I don't plan to any more - just too 'low tech'!
24/10/2006 16:35:39 ‹KevinH› great - cos they are really painful to support
24/10/2006 16:35:54 ‹Paul G› I bet!
24/10/2006 16:36:54 ‹Paul G› on anothe rnote - did you do the CBus install yourself?
24/10/2006 16:36:59 ‹KevinH› I am treading a fine line between supporting HV with C-Bus and HV with xAP - I am short of space so things I add on one side cause me not to be able to do things on the other - currently it's a xAP/HV/C-Bus unit but it may have to ebcome two units
24/10/2006 16:37:27 ‹Paul G› ok - can't you just add more space???
24/10/2006 16:37:40 ‹Paul G› (not knowing what the limitations are)
24/10/2006 16:38:16 ‹KevinH› .. or maybe one unit with a second helper co-processor but we're getting a bit 'really hairy' when we do that
24/10/2006 16:38:48 ‹Paul G› so it's about CPU power then?
24/10/2006 16:39:00 ‹KevinH› The limitations are that the processors I use have limited RAM and program storage so i can't keep making larger programs that store more and more data
24/10/2006 16:39:08 ‹James› 2 units interconnected via xAP could just mean more sales ;-)
24/10/2006 16:39:11 ‹KevinH› RAM=memory
24/10/2006 16:39:16 ‹Paul G› ok
24/10/2006 16:39:33 ‹KevinH› But at £200 quid a time its quite expensive
24/10/2006 16:39:55 ‹KevinH› So 1 unit with a second slave processor at around £50 is quite interesting
24/10/2006 16:40:00 ‹James› £200 is not alot in cbus terms
24/10/2006 16:40:09 ‹KevinH› I don't need all the I/O on teh second processor
24/10/2006 16:40:21 ‹KevinH› I know....
24/10/2006 16:40:42 ‹James› are there any bigger rabbits on the horizon?
24/10/2006 16:40:44 ‹Paul G› it is when you're already spending huge amounts on a loft conversion!
24/10/2006 16:41:01 ‹KevinH› .. interestingly I have found some very fundamental restrictions on my C-Bus setup that can be solved this way....
24/10/2006 16:41:03 ‹Paul G› ...and your structural engineer just doubled his bill ;)
24/10/2006 16:41:33 ‹James› it's not a loft conversion. It's a new house built on your roof
24/10/2006 16:41:38 ‹KevinH› The issue is the address bus width that means that you need to page memory in and out which is horrendous
24/10/2006 16:41:57 ‹KevinH› or more accurately I should say register widths
24/10/2006 16:42:03 ‹Paul G› more like an excuse for getting more HA!
24/10/2006 16:42:45 ‹James› and a good one at that
24/10/2006 16:44:17 ‹Paul G› so far it's prompted me to get new heating control system, new whole house audio, new lighting control (CBus)...
24/10/2006 16:44:48 ‹KevinH› and a HV/C-Bus gateway
24/10/2006 16:45:01 ‹Paul G› indeed!
24/10/2006 16:45:17 ‹Paul G› Any thoughts on that switcher yet?
24/10/2006 16:45:27 ‹KevinH› even Clipsal employees whant one ;-)
24/10/2006 16:45:45 ‹James› switcher?
24/10/2006 16:45:58 ‹Paul G› Keith has been promissing to send me a test Kat5 Switcher - apparently he's fairly close - but then he said that 2 years ago!
24/10/2006 16:46:21 ‹James› oh that switcher
24/10/2006 16:46:48 ‹Paul G› no - didn't mean that one - K was looking for a possible YUV switcher for my needs...
24/10/2006 16:47:25 ‹James› a YUV one, that'll be expensive then
24/10/2006 16:47:38 ‹Paul G› well, same as RGB I believe
24/10/2006 16:48:25 ‹James› was that russsound unit expensive btw?
24/10/2006 16:48:28 ‹KevinH› I have one Paul - but as I said I can't confirm it will switch digital audio
24/10/2006 16:48:57 ‹Paul G› Russound CAV6.6 - could nearly get 3 from the US for single price over here!!!!!
24/10/2006 16:49:06 ‹KevinH› and I <may> have access to some new ones that definitely will 8 to 3 at a good price
24/10/2006 16:49:24 ‹Paul G› cool - do you know when you'll know?
24/10/2006 16:50:19 ‹KevinH› about a week .. when I say a good price it's a good price relative to UK (and US) new price but they're not 'cheap' - but they're not going to be at that spec
24/10/2006 16:50:34 ‹KevinH› (cheap that is)
24/10/2006 16:50:47 ‹Paul G› into 1,000's ????
24/10/2006 16:50:52 ‹KevinH› nope
24/10/2006 16:51:03 ‹Paul G› tens??? ;)
24/10/2006 16:51:06 ‹James› i've just seen the list price :-(
24/10/2006 16:51:14 ‹Paul G› cav6.6?
24/10/2006 16:51:17 ‹KevinH› but well above £500
24/10/2006 16:51:22 ‹Paul G› ok
24/10/2006 16:51:30 ‹Paul G› rs232?
24/10/2006 16:51:30 ‹KevinH› probably circa £750 ish
24/10/2006 16:51:32 ‹James› 6.6 $2199
24/10/2006 16:51:34 * Edward quit (timeout)
24/10/2006 16:51:35 ‹Paul G› k
24/10/2006 16:51:43 ‹KevinH› RS232 and IR :-)
24/10/2006 16:52:05 ‹James› for that price it should have a network link
24/10/2006 16:52:31 ‹KevinH› YUV and RGBS and RGBHV and DIG audio and analog audio ( 6 signals max)
24/10/2006 16:52:50 ‹KevinH› composite and S-video of course should you wish
24/10/2006 16:52:55 ‹Paul G› My CAV's were $2149 each + shipping + duty + VAT
24/10/2006 16:53:08 ‹KevinH› ouch
24/10/2006 16:53:09 ‹Paul G› WELL worth it - they're great
24/10/2006 16:53:18 ‹James› does it make the tea too?
24/10/2006 16:53:24 ‹Paul G› yes
24/10/2006 16:53:31 ‹Paul G› and hot buttered toast
24/10/2006 16:53:33 ‹James› cool
24/10/2006 16:53:36 ‹James› boo
24/10/2006 16:53:52 ‹Paul G› that is a kit BTW - 6 LCD keypads, amp, remote etc
24/10/2006 16:54:21 ‹Paul G› price here was well over £3000 each!!!
24/10/2006 16:54:31 ‹KevinH› they sound good
24/10/2006 16:54:44 ‹James› it is still silly this US UK price difference
24/10/2006 16:54:49 ‹KevinH› They are 6 zone ?
24/10/2006 16:54:55 ‹Paul G› VERY controllable - ML does a good job
24/10/2006 16:55:25 ‹Paul G› 6 input, 6 zone and linkable between units although only 6 linked sources max
24/10/2006 16:55:48 ‹KevinH› and you get 6 keypads for that ?
24/10/2006 16:55:53 ‹Paul G› you can fire any text to individual keypads or sources
24/10/2006 16:55:55 ‹Paul G› yes
24/10/2006 16:56:05 ‹Paul G› http://www.cyberselect.co.uk/product/122
24/10/2006 16:56:05 ‹KevinH› xAP OSD ? ;-)
24/10/2006 16:56:13 ‹Paul G› £3393 !!!
24/10/2006 16:56:31 ‹Paul G› well it's a serial protocol - so I guess
24/10/2006 16:57:16 ‹KevinH› .. how much are the Uno-TS2 screens ?
24/10/2006 16:57:25 ‹Paul G› have a touchscreen option too - but it's limited I think
24/10/2006 16:57:43 ‹Paul G› hang on...
24/10/2006 16:58:49 ‹KevinH› Also can you 'selct' music in nayway from the remotes - like a particular track/album/mp3/CD ?
24/10/2006 16:59:11 ‹Paul G› I didn't get a price on the TS2 - fairly expensive though I think
24/10/2006 16:59:11 ‹KevinH› duh... 'select in anyway'
24/10/2006 16:59:29 ‹Paul G› They have IR passthrough
24/10/2006 17:00:06 ‹KevinH› but titles on the LCD's ?
24/10/2006 17:00:12 ‹Paul G› and via the ML plugin, you can assign any commands etc to each of the remote IR signals and keypad buttons for each zone
24/10/2006 17:00:43 ‹Paul G› yes - I use music lobby with the J River media centre - it passed track/title etc info to the keypads
24/10/2006 17:00:56 ‹Paul G› you program it to show what you want
24/10/2006 17:00:58 ‹KevinH› What I mean is in say Music Lobby you cna manage a library of CD's/mp3's - can yoi selct these from teh LCD's and also display which one is currently playing ?
24/10/2006 17:01:06 ‹KevinH› ahh right
24/10/2006 17:01:32 ‹KevinH› quite neat
24/10/2006 17:01:39 ‹Paul G› yes - assign the next/previous button on keypad or/and remote
24/10/2006 17:01:53 ‹Paul G› to media centre - next and previous track function
24/10/2006 17:01:59 ‹Paul G› very responsive :)
24/10/2006 17:02:20 ‹Paul G› Cinemar just made a change for me that sig improved responsiveness
24/10/2006 17:02:34 ‹KevinH› JRiver has improved a bit then since I last tried
24/10/2006 17:02:38 ‹KevinH› It's a great app
24/10/2006 17:02:51 ‹Paul G› can turn on/off the keypads remotely, set party master etc
24/10/2006 17:03:06 ‹Paul G› that's with the Music Lobby plugin
24/10/2006 17:03:13 ‹KevinH› yep
24/10/2006 17:03:44 ‹Paul G› I'm going to try also sending CID info - should be easy
24/10/2006 17:03:58 ‹Paul G› just need to set up a timer etc
24/10/2006 17:04:20 ‹KevinH› now there's a word often used to quickly ;-)
24/10/2006 17:04:30 ‹Paul G› lol
24/10/2006 17:04:52 ‹KevinH› Are you using teh HS to ML plugin then too ?
24/10/2006 17:04:57 ‹Paul G› yes
24/10/2006 17:05:02 ‹Paul G› works pretty well
24/10/2006 17:05:15 ‹KevinH› and Chris has a C-Bus ML plugin soon
24/10/2006 17:05:20 * Gregg quit
24/10/2006 17:05:22 ‹Paul G› that's how I've got all my xAP, Comfort, HV info in ML
24/10/2006 17:05:33 ‹Paul G› so I hear
24/10/2006 17:05:48 ‹Paul G› although wont need that if your units work for me I guess?
24/10/2006 17:06:35 ‹KevinH› I've been trying to embed as much of my system as possible and not depend on PC apps too much - except for the frills
24/10/2006 17:06:53 ‹KevinH› xAP is great for that
24/10/2006 17:06:54 ‹Paul G› sounds sensible
24/10/2006 17:07:28 ‹KevinH› but.. when you try and do involved things it's much more difficult
24/10/2006 17:07:41 ‹Paul G› yeah
24/10/2006 17:07:56 ‹Paul G› right - got to run
24/10/2006 17:08:10 ‹Paul G› Let me know the details of those switchers...
24/10/2006 17:08:13 ‹KevinH› It's real easy for me for example to pick up a TTS start and stop message cos I can just code it in to the processor source code
24/10/2006 17:08:37 ‹KevinH› but to make that sort of thing configurable and end user accessible is a nightmare
24/10/2006 17:08:47 ‹KevinH› nite
24/10/2006 17:08:50 ‹Paul G› I can imagine
24/10/2006 17:08:53 ‹Paul G› cheers