xAP Talk Transcript 2006 08 01

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01/08/2006 20:52:27 * Kevin H is connected
01/08/2006 20:57:55 * kevint is connected
01/08/2006 20:58:16 ‹kevint› Well the Kevins are here ;)
01/08/2006 20:58:37 ‹Kevin H› Yep... evening (again)
01/08/2006 20:59:39 ‹kevint› yes fed and watered now
01/08/2006 21:00:41 * James is connected
01/08/2006 21:00:47 ‹Kevin H› I have the AJAX bit working for text updates on the BSC states - just got to work out how to get nice icons !
01/08/2006 21:01:01 ‹James› lo
01/08/2006 21:01:11 ‹Kevin H› lo 2
01/08/2006 21:01:33 ‹kevint› very good, when you are nearly ready to let me break it let me know
01/08/2006 21:01:36 ‹kevint› hi J
01/08/2006 21:01:46 ‹James› you're doing ajax...??
01/08/2006 21:02:04 ‹Kevin H› Well - I'm on the first rung of the learning ladder
01/08/2006 21:02:41 ‹Kevin H› I have an embedded BSC maper running and one of the bits I was adding was an AJAX based state display
01/08/2006 21:02:45 ‹James› is this a xpa intranet thing?
01/08/2006 21:02:50 ‹James› o
01/08/2006 21:03:11 ‹Kevin H› It could easily be xAP Intranet enabled
01/08/2006 21:03:38 ‹James› if you open a Floorplan map and look at the source code you can borrom the httmxml section
01/08/2006 21:03:55 ‹Kevin H› I can update my states in AJAX with teh text values but haven't quite worked out how to display different icons yet ..
01/08/2006 21:03:56 ‹kevint› I have a minor problem with xAPsaver
01/08/2006 21:04:06 ‹Kevin H› I have been looking ;-)
01/08/2006 21:04:15 ‹James› k
01/08/2006 21:04:21 ‹James› fire away kt
01/08/2006 21:05:12 ‹kevint› the saver sometimes sticks and needs a 3 finger salute to get in
01/08/2006 21:05:43 ‹James› if you could email me the log file after the salute that would be good
01/08/2006 21:05:44 ‹kevint› At the moment I am running with out the server to try and reduce the permutations
01/08/2006 21:06:06 ‹James› without the server it wont do much
01/08/2006 21:06:17 ‹kevint› so all I get is the clock and "user logged in"
01/08/2006 21:06:25 ‹kevint› and it still locks up
01/08/2006 21:06:26 ‹James› you both have new mail btw - thought you might be interested
01/08/2006 21:06:39 ‹James› yep, thats the other use
01/08/2006 21:07:18 ‹kevint› my mail server has a 15 minute poll
01/08/2006 21:07:20 ‹James› the screen saveer was originall designed for work with an intranet feeding it. the xAP server was a bolton to make it easier to manage and xapped
01/08/2006 21:07:46 ‹James› well you'll have to bite your nails
01/08/2006 21:07:57 ‹kevint› So is the log file you want a server or saver log file
01/08/2006 21:08:03 ‹kevint› ;)
01/08/2006 21:08:31 ‹James› the sver one c:\PF\mi4saver or xapsaver
01/08/2006 21:08:39 ‹Kevin H› and mine hasn't arrived yet....
01/08/2006 21:09:04 ‹kevint› Its good to see Edward has posted the updated x10 connector
01/08/2006 21:09:26 ‹James› you'll see how spooky the timing is re that post on ukha
01/08/2006 21:09:43 ‹Kevin H› I have tried a couple of times to ring SB btw but no answe...
01/08/2006 21:10:06 * drodegeb is connected
01/08/2006 21:10:11 ‹drodegeb› Hello
01/08/2006 21:10:14 ‹James› maybe he's away or he knows your phone number
01/08/2006 21:10:15 ‹James› hi
01/08/2006 21:11:13 ‹Kevin H› J - did you use my xAPauto email address  ??
01/08/2006 21:11:16 ‹kevint› post on ukha?
01/08/2006 21:11:26 ‹kevint› I have mail
01/08/2006 21:11:32 ‹James› yes,yes,good
01/08/2006 21:13:14 ‹kevint› So is the msi in the mail the whole thing or do I need to install anything else?
01/08/2006 21:14:02 ‹James› msi is just he jabber connector the question/answer server is still to come.
01/08/2006 21:14:22 ‹James› Natural language processing is really tricky
01/08/2006 21:15:10 ‹kevint› so I need a jabber server for the connector to connect to? (being thick...)
01/08/2006 21:15:36 ‹James› the full setup for it all to work is xAP Jabber, Floorplan, Switchboard, Four and then what ever to control or send display messages
01/08/2006 21:15:38 ‹James› yep
01/08/2006 21:16:26 ‹drodegeb› So you have the jabber module ready or testing?
01/08/2006 21:16:34 ‹Kevin H› Hmm something's eaten your email I think :-(
01/08/2006 21:17:06 * ian b is connected
01/08/2006 21:17:08 ‹Kevin H› can you try the UKUSA address perhaps
01/08/2006 21:17:08 ‹James› drodgegb, the jabber connector is the same as the one from the email. the answer server is still to come
01/08/2006 21:17:18 ‹drodegeb› Thanks
01/08/2006 21:17:25 ‹ian b› evenin all
01/08/2006 21:17:35 ‹Kevin H› HI Ian...
01/08/2006 21:17:38 ‹James› hi
01/08/2006 21:17:47 ‹kevint› evening
01/08/2006 21:17:53 ‹James› The linking to Switchboard proved a bit harder than planned
01/08/2006 21:18:04 ‹James› work now though
01/08/2006 21:18:08 ‹Kevin H› Ian - btw let me know when you need to me send you some dosh...
01/08/2006 21:18:56 ‹James› kh, email sent
01/08/2006 21:19:51 ‹ian b› Hi Kevin, anytime, anytime, donations to the poor are always welcome :-)
01/08/2006 21:20:00 * andylaurence is connected
01/08/2006 21:20:02 ‹ian b› we'll have to wait until they arrive for numbers though
01/08/2006 21:20:31 ‹Kevin H› most strange - got that J but not the first one...
01/08/2006 21:20:35 ‹ian b› i'll keep you informed in due course
01/08/2006 21:20:51 * kevint disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 21:22:53 ‹kevint› .
01/08/2006 21:23:02 ‹Kevin H› J - can I clarify a couple of AJAX methodologies
01/08/2006 21:23:10 ‹James› sure
01/08/2006 21:23:42 ‹Kevin H› Does FP send a full update of all states or does it just update a single one as it changes ?
01/08/2006 21:24:09 ‹James› a full set at the moment.
01/08/2006 21:24:50 ‹Kevin H› right... and it appears to poll repeatedly for this - every 2 secs or so
01/08/2006 21:25:07 ‹James› I then match each received against whaever is already displayed and if it hasn't changed i won't update the screen. I found that replacing an element with exactly the same data caused a flicker
01/08/2006 21:25:11 ‹James› yes
01/08/2006 21:25:39 ‹Kevin H› Would it be wrong to issue the request and then teh server not return any repsonse until something ahd changed ?
01/08/2006 21:25:39 ‹James› afaiu ajax is a pull not push technology
01/08/2006 21:26:02 ‹James› no, that's fine but you have to deal with sessions then
01/08/2006 21:26:12 ‹Kevin H› AIUI a resonse from tehs erver being asynch could happen imeediately or many minutes / hours later
01/08/2006 21:26:49 ‹Kevin H› right but it avoids polling totally it seems - effectively making it almosta push solution
01/08/2006 21:26:56 ‹James› say you had 5 web browsers all ajax polling, your server would need to know the version of each. could get confusing
01/08/2006 21:27:31 ‹James› i think in phpfreechat it does a poll for a version number and if the number changes it re-polls for the data
01/08/2006 21:27:56 ‹Kevin H› With the Rabbit I have difficulties anyway with mutiople sessions - in fact I can stop them so that maybe a kludge to ignore that
01/08/2006 21:28:12 ‹James› cheat ;-)
01/08/2006 21:28:46 ‹Kevin H› ..and is the displayed icon local to teh client or supplied from the server as a url
01/08/2006 21:29:03 ‹Kevin H› I assume the latter
01/08/2006 21:29:10 ‹James› the server supplies an html string
01/08/2006 21:29:35 ‹James› which if contains and <img> the browser would then collect the image
01/08/2006 21:30:21 ‹Kevin H› I think it would be more obvious if I could easily see the format of the server response - do you perhaps have an example you could send me
01/08/2006 21:30:46 * kevint disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 21:31:25 ‹James› you could get the url it calls from the source of the map page
01/08/2006 21:31:42 ‹Kevin H› ahh - 1 sec
01/08/2006 21:31:47 * lehane is connected
01/08/2006 21:32:01 ‹James› http://ip:port/image.xxml?aGround Floor where ground floor is the map name
01/08/2006 21:32:38 ‹James› the a before the Ground Floor is to signify All. just a code for the internals to work
01/08/2006 21:33:06 ‹lehane› Hi
01/08/2006 21:33:23 ‹James› hi
01/08/2006 21:35:35 ‹lehane› Has anyone managed to get Stuart's code for the hub yet?
01/08/2006 21:35:43 ‹Kevin H› k - Think Ive got it - ignoring teh XML parsing error
01/08/2006 21:36:07 ‹James› yep, it returns html not xml so you get that
01/08/2006 21:36:11 ‹Kevin H› Lehane - I called him a couple of times - and in fact a few minutes before this chat but no reply :-(
01/08/2006 21:36:26 ‹lehane› OK
01/08/2006 21:37:56 ‹Kevin H› J - its just not too much fun building responses directly in RAM ;-)
01/08/2006 21:38:03 ‹Kevin H› as I ahve to
01/08/2006 21:38:31 ‹James› atleast you're cheating on the client count
01/08/2006 21:38:33 ‹Kevin H› although I can assemble them from strings
01/08/2006 21:38:59 ‹Kevin H› well - I'll get it working with one and then look at increasing it
01/08/2006 21:38:59 ‹James› is it full data or just states you're sending?
01/08/2006 21:39:45 ‹Kevin H› At the moment I'm just sending states of (all) devices - next step is I want to only send states that chnage
01/08/2006 21:40:19 ‹James› k
01/08/2006 21:41:02 ‹Kevin H› I need to supply a matching icon I guess as I can't attach one locally i don't think - eg red to off and green to on. I do this as font atrributes currently - (baby steps)
01/08/2006 21:42:06 ‹Kevin H› Anyway enuf about this (its early days of an embedded BSC mapper btw) - also has display of BSC device states


01/08/2006 21:42:10 ‹James› well if the ajax receives a 1 or 0 there is no reason that when the javascrip write that to the
it could suffix,prefix it


01/08/2006 21:42:36 ‹James› witrh "<img src='/'".State.".gif'>
01/08/2006 21:43:32 ‹Kevin H› That would be better for me but the icon still has to be on the server due to Sandboxing doesnt it ?
01/08/2006 21:44:20 ‹James› no can be anywhere. you are just writing http the brosawer will strat a new connection to get teh pic from whereever
01/08/2006 21:44:48 ‹Kevin H› ahh.. because taht's outside the 'Ajax' as such
01/08/2006 21:45:25 ‹James› yes this is the client doing it
01/08/2006 21:46:00 ‹Kevin H› K.. maybe I can catch 2 mins after this session if it's not too late...
01/08/2006 21:46:09 ‹Kevin H› So what's anyone else up to ?
01/08/2006 21:46:50 * kevint disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 21:47:10 ‹lehane› Just starting to look at the CADDX protocol
01/08/2006 21:47:34 ‹Kevin H› That's the alarm one... ?
01/08/2006 21:48:02 ‹James› ( is everyone else googling that or is it just me ;-)
01/08/2006 21:48:07 ‹kevint› well typically xapsaver is not breaking now ;(
01/08/2006 21:48:23 ‹James› the antikevin effect
01/08/2006 21:48:28 ‹James› it's a special feature
01/08/2006 21:48:36 ‹lehane› KH-yes, kind of poor mans Comfort
01/08/2006 21:48:40 ‹kevint› all i did was rename the log file
01/08/2006 21:49:12 ‹James› the log files get deleted every day so they shouldn't be that big
01/08/2006 21:50:08 ‹Kevin H› Lehane - I have an alarm panel here that I intended to fully xAP - using the Microtech/SIA protocol but as it could be mostly sorted via hardware (Netiom/VIOM) that was far faster for me
01/08/2006 21:50:40 ‹Kevin H› So it's BSC'd - using link outputs and some serial data it provides
01/08/2006 21:50:58 ‹lehane› In the US there is Elk, Homeseer and Homevision interfaces for CADDX - David may know of more..
01/08/2006 21:51:05 ‹Kevin H› It really should have a 'Security' schema I guess though
01/08/2006 21:52:09 ‹Kevin H› Zone activations and current state is really all that I wanted to get at though
01/08/2006 21:52:37 ‹kevint› 207 k log file so far
01/08/2006 21:53:52 ‹lehane› Yep, can do all that with the CADDX and arm/disarm, set Aux outputs, control X10.... shame the boxes are rare here.
01/08/2006 21:54:23 ‹Kevin H› I nearly bought one myself a while back but when I moved house this Galaxy was already there
01/08/2006 21:55:17 ‹Kevin H› You gonna use the X10 then ?
01/08/2006 21:55:42 ‹lehane› X10, pah! No not the dark side.......
01/08/2006 21:56:12 ‹lehane› Changing subject, anyone looked at an xAP plugin for GBPVR??
01/08/2006 21:56:50 ‹James› no, but i use gbpvr at work and i would be a happy tester ;-)
01/08/2006 21:56:54 * kevint disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 21:57:50 ‹lehane› OK, looks well supported. Might start with OSD as the examples are there for CID already
01/08/2006 21:57:53 * Edward is connected
01/08/2006 21:58:53 ‹kevint› hello edward ;)
01/08/2006 21:58:54 ‹James› good start, then channel changing, record timer setting, whould be nice for the 2nd version
01/08/2006 22:00:15 ‹Kevin H› IT looks to have matured quite a bis since I last looked
01/08/2006 22:00:20 ‹Kevin H› bis=bit
01/08/2006 22:00:39 * Edward disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 22:01:00 ‹Kevin H› that was a fleeting visit !
01/08/2006 22:01:27 ‹kevint› He be doing an Arnie...
01/08/2006 22:02:02 ‹lehane› lowering CO2?
01/08/2006 22:02:08 ‹Kevin H› Lucky I thought a bit on that before I replied
01/08/2006 22:02:58 ‹kevint› mmm
01/08/2006 22:03:32 ‹Kevin H› J - is there a way of debugging easily in JavaScript eg single stepping ?
01/08/2006 22:04:49 ‹James› if you use ie then sometimes the script debugger pops up.. i think there is a firefox extension that does the same
01/08/2006 22:05:25 ‹Edward› Hello all
01/08/2006 22:05:44 ‹kevint› see I said he would be back !
01/08/2006 22:06:01 ‹James› hi
01/08/2006 22:06:34 ‹Edward› (kinda distracted at the moment as I'm on the phone)
01/08/2006 22:06:57 ‹kevint› sb?
01/08/2006 22:08:35 ‹lehane› js debugging - venkman? I usually just hack the script and write debug output :$
01/08/2006 22:10:39 * Edward disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 22:10:39 * kevint disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 22:13:51 * andylaurence disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 22:14:27 * Paul G is connected
01/08/2006 22:14:50 ‹James› si KT this ajax thing is part of the cub connector unit?
01/08/2006 22:14:57 ‹James› arg KH i mean
01/08/2006 22:15:07 ‹Paul G› Hi All - bit late!
01/08/2006 22:15:14 ‹James› cub=cbus
01/08/2006 22:15:18 ‹James› hi
01/08/2006 22:16:12 ‹Paul G› Can't stay long but just thought I'd say hello
01/08/2006 22:16:17 ‹Kevin H› It is an embedded BSC mapper but basically all it needs is a Rabbit processor and something to supply power - so it could (rather untidly) be done without even a pcb I'm thinking and sub £50
01/08/2006 22:16:32 ‹Paul G› anything interesting been discussed?
01/08/2006 22:17:14 ‹James› ajax,jabber, lots of Hi's and KH's bsc embedded mapper
01/08/2006 22:17:35 ‹Paul G› Anyone running HomeSeer with HomeVision plugin?
01/08/2006 22:18:00 * ian b disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 22:19:29 ‹Kevin H› Well - I have it here but I can't get to the configure page :-(
01/08/2006 22:19:55 * Edward disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 22:20:12 ‹Paul G› Is it not letting you or an error etc?
01/08/2006 22:22:32 ‹Kevin H› I posted on July 9th to teh HS board but noone replied :-(
01/08/2006 22:22:42 ‹Kevin H› It gives me an error when I select configure
01/08/2006 22:23:09 ‹Paul G› ok - push them again - they should reply. Did you send a support ticket?
01/08/2006 22:23:38 ‹Kevin H› and on startup when it asks if I want to add devices for varaibles and I/O it does teh same
01/08/2006 22:23:54 ‹Paul G› I'm getting an accasional 'Type Mismatch' error from the HV plugin
01/08/2006 22:24:13 ‹Kevin H› Gives a run time error - 'text' property is read only
01/08/2006 22:24:17 ‹Paul G› and I think it's causing some of my other plugins to crash
01/08/2006 22:25:19 ‹Paul G› right - got to go - bye all
01/08/2006 22:25:31 ‹James› bye
01/08/2006 22:25:32 ‹Kevin H› 1 sec Paul
01/08/2006 22:25:40 ‹Paul G› k
01/08/2006 22:25:49 ‹Paul G› ...counting... ;)
01/08/2006 22:25:49 ‹Kevin H› could u perhpas send me a config file from your HV
01/08/2006 22:25:58 ‹Kevin H› just looking for name#
01/08/2006 22:26:05 ‹Paul G› sure - what's your email
01/08/2006 22:26:07 ‹Kevin H› its teh one that sets up the HV plugin
01/08/2006 22:26:33 ‹Paul G› the main HS config file or the HV one?
01/08/2006 22:26:33 * kevint disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 22:26:37 ‹Kevin H› kevin at xapautomation.org
01/08/2006 22:27:15 ‹Kevin H› just finding the filename
01/08/2006 22:27:25 ‹Paul G› k
01/08/2006 22:28:30 ‹Kevin H› ahh - its the bit in teh main settings file under the heading [hspi_homevision]
01/08/2006 22:29:20 ‹Kevin H› (settings.txt) in teh config folder
01/08/2006 22:29:40 * Edward disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 22:30:08 ‹Paul G› got a settings.in but not txt
01/08/2006 22:30:12 ‹Paul G› .ini
01/08/2006 22:30:37 ‹Kevin H› ahh could be...
01/08/2006 22:30:42 ‹Paul G› [hspi_homevision]
01/08/2006 22:30:48 ‹Paul G› reg_moved=1
01/08/2006 22:30:54 ‹Paul G› gBaseCode=92
01/08/2006 22:30:59 ‹Paul G› comport=1
01/08/2006 22:31:04 ‹Paul G› baudrate=19200
01/08/2006 22:31:11 ‹Paul G› is all that's under that sect
01/08/2006 22:31:19 ‹Kevin H› right.. same as mine
01/08/2006 22:31:40 ‹Paul G› I can send you .mdb if you want?
01/08/2006 22:32:39 ‹Kevin H› Well. I am not convinced that this plugin uses the MDB at startup - but I suppose all the HS devices must get setup in there
01/08/2006 22:32:53 ‹Kevin H› if you could send it I will try ..
01/08/2006 22:32:54 ‹Paul G› got to go - email me if you want any other files and I'll send them over
01/08/2006 22:32:56 ‹Paul G› ok
01/08/2006 22:33:06 ‹Paul G› paul @ siliconpixel dot com
01/08/2006 22:33:53 ‹Kevin H› nite
01/08/2006 22:34:55 ‹lehane› I have to go too..early flight tomorrow. Catch you all next week..
01/08/2006 22:34:55 ‹Paul G› sent.
01/08/2006 22:34:58 ‹Paul G› bye
01/08/2006 22:35:16 * lehane quit
01/08/2006 22:35:19 * Paul G disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 22:35:48 * kevint disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 22:39:03 * kevint disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 22:42:44 ‹Edward› Hi - sorry, bit late and the the phone rang
01/08/2006 22:43:30 ‹Edward› Why is it that you only notice blindingly obvious bugs in s/w just after you've released it to the world - grrrrrr
01/08/2006 22:43:34 ‹James› i like the new site design btw
01/08/2006 22:43:50 ‹James› ahh,, sounds familiar
01/08/2006 22:44:01 ‹Edward› My wife said it looked like a tooth paste advert
01/08/2006 22:44:20 ‹James› i find testing any software ona Kevin and if it survives a week then it'll be fine
01/08/2006 22:44:21 ‹Edward› clean and fresh
01/08/2006 22:44:48 ‹Edward› Anyhow - just found the bug so will be uploading new versions shortly
01/08/2006 22:45:10 ‹James› it goes a bit odd with the old url though http://www.edjo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/edward/xAP/index.htm
01/08/2006 22:45:11 ‹Edward› And then I'll put the Dynalite stuff up too
01/08/2006 22:45:36 ‹Edward› Arse
01/08/2006 22:45:54 ‹Edward› index.htm vs index.htlm
01/08/2006 22:45:57 ‹James› i'll change my links to http://www.edjo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/edward/xAP
01/08/2006 22:46:00 ‹Edward› html
01/08/2006 22:46:09 ‹James› but there are a few of the old ones on the wiki
01/08/2006 22:46:56 ‹Edward› I'll try to fix it so it's compatible - there's plently of links around the world now
01/08/2006 22:47:25 ‹Edward› Including the MediaPortal stuff
01/08/2006 22:47:36 ‹Edward› which I had no idea about
01/08/2006 22:47:49 ‹Kevin H› That MediaPortal one was a surprise to me ...
01/08/2006 22:47:50 ‹James› also any chance of adding some reciplical to the other xAP sites?
01/08/2006 22:47:55 ‹Edward› there's a guy in france hosting copies of my binaries! really scary
01/08/2006 22:48:15 ‹Edward› Links out - good idea - easily done
01/08/2006 22:48:22 ‹Kevin H› Quick Q - did someone contact you re Barionet in teh last couple of days ?
01/08/2006 22:48:32 ‹Edward› nope
01/08/2006 22:48:54 ‹Kevin H› I sec let me find the post
01/08/2006 22:50:58 ‹Kevin H› http://www.automatedhome.co.uk/modules.php?name=Forums&;file=viewtopic&t=1124
01/08/2006 22:51:16 ‹Kevin H› http://tinyurl.com/gus56
01/08/2006 22:51:19 ‹Edward› KevinT - did you never spot that the devices grid in the in the version of the X10 with the tabbed interface is completely f*****d?
01/08/2006 22:51:57 ‹Kevin H› That is letting the K's down ..
01/08/2006 22:52:08 * kevint disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 22:53:23 ‹Kevin H› E - I'm guessing you didn't hear from SB either ? Maybe he's on hols
01/08/2006 22:53:28 ‹Edward› Right - I see the article (don't keep up to date with AH groups) I can definitely help - I'll contact the guy
01/08/2006 22:53:46 ‹Edward› Nope, not a dickie bird
01/08/2006 22:54:48 * Edward disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 22:59:24 ‹Edward› Starting to think that I might host a bunch of stuff on my site now that I've got a relatively easy way of updating it (MS frontpage)
01/08/2006 22:59:54 ‹Edward› Why does this chat keep disconnecting?
01/08/2006 23:00:21 ‹James› no idea
01/08/2006 23:00:55 ‹Edward› no worries - only a very minor annoyance
01/08/2006 23:01:03 ‹James› i've mirrored any xFx apps that have been found on mi4.biz
01/08/2006 23:01:10 ‹Kevin H› It only disconnects some people for some reason... KT and yourself seem to suffer
01/08/2006 23:02:21 ‹Edward› I should have a trawl round my disks to see what else I've got - kinda worried that we'll never see the return of xapframework.net
01/08/2006 23:02:56 ‹Edward› So many broken liks
01/08/2006 23:03:08 ‹Edward› V bad for the xAP cause
01/08/2006 23:03:13 ‹Kevin H› We do need the hub/viewer sources but I don't think SB ever released them - teh SliMP3 one would be nice too
01/08/2006 23:03:19 ‹James› yep :-(
01/08/2006 23:04:36 ‹Edward› I've been honing up my Perl skills - was considering doing a native xAP interface for SlimServer
01/08/2006 23:05:15 ‹Kevin H› You use SlimServer - I thought you were Barix based
01/08/2006 23:05:19 ‹James› Gregg is pretty up on perl and has some lib he uses for asterisk and zoneminder
01/08/2006 23:05:54 ‹Edward› No - I have 5 slimplayers now - love them
01/08/2006 23:06:22 ‹Kevin H› Nice - and are you tempted by their new player - the 'Transport' ?
01/08/2006 23:06:29 ‹Edward› Barix can't do uncompressed audio and I'm a bit of an audiophile
01/08/2006 23:06:30 ‹James› i'm starting to think my slimp3s are a little dated
01/08/2006 23:06:54 * Edward disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 23:07:20 ‹Kevin H› he's just died when he saw teh price of the Transport ;-)
01/08/2006 23:08:40 ‹James› it's quite a jump from the other products
01/08/2006 23:09:54 ‹Kevin H› not something I'm going to jump on.. I think when they offer such a positioned product the software needs to be top notch - and I don't feel it's there yet
01/08/2006 23:10:00 ‹Edward› Cheers :-/
01/08/2006 23:10:00 ‹Edward› Transport?
01/08/2006 23:10:38 ‹Kevin H› Transporter sorry
01/08/2006 23:10:41 ‹Kevin H› http://www.slimdevices.com/
01/08/2006 23:10:47 ‹James› and unless your music is flac or wav then there is no point
01/08/2006 23:10:59 ‹Edward› Oh - I'd not seen that - just been there (taking advantage of the erroneus timout pause) looks lovely!
01/08/2006 23:11:14 ‹Edward› yup - I rip to flac
01/08/2006 23:11:28 ‹Edward› MP3 sounds crap on my setup
01/08/2006 23:11:49 ‹Edward› I rip to flac for home listening and Mp4 for IPod - no MP3
01/08/2006 23:11:55 ‹Kevin H› I regret not ripping to FLAC
01/08/2006 23:12:19 ‹James› i still use mp3, it's good enough for me
01/08/2006 23:12:41 ‹Kevin H› but my CD's are all still playable automatically - but not from a great deck (multichanger)
01/08/2006 23:13:06 ‹Edward› Sreious disk consuption though - to call it a 'compression' system is pushing it - most pop musig only gets down to 60% of raw size
01/08/2006 23:13:35 ‹Kevin H› 60% is way better than 100% though
01/08/2006 23:13:54 ‹Edward› But the hey - disks are cheap as chips!
01/08/2006 23:13:55 ‹James› i just hit 800gb of video :-(
01/08/2006 23:14:12 ‹James› mp3s are least of my worries!
01/08/2006 23:15:13 ‹Edward› Ah - erm - well - yes - kinda on the back burner at the moment but definitely a project that I'd like to get out there
01/08/2006 23:15:36 ‹Edward› I am actually using it at home
01/08/2006 23:15:47 ‹Kevin H› It would have great potential I think and I suspect teh support is a lot more co-operative now
01/08/2006 23:15:51 ‹Edward› So I should just publish really
01/08/2006 23:16:10 ‹Edward› Again - a lot easier now I've new site dev tools
01/08/2006 23:16:18 ‹Kevin H› great
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01/08/2006 23:18:54 ‹kevint› back
01/08/2006 23:19:35 ‹Edward› KevinT - did you never spot that the devices grid in the in the version of the X10 with the tabbed interface is completely f*****d?
01/08/2006 23:19:52 ‹kevint› I just quickly checked the test version of the x10 connector and I cant see a problem...
01/08/2006 23:20:17 ‹Edward› Until after I'd published it
01/08/2006 23:20:58 ‹Edward› Interesting - maybe I screwd up on version control
01/08/2006 23:20:59 ‹Kevin H› J - once FP is 'maximised' ie I have a browser window open the tray icon disappears - if I close teh browser how do I launch FP again easily ?
01/08/2006 23:21:11 ‹kevint› I am still running the last version you emaile dme not the one from the new site
01/08/2006 23:21:35 ‹kevint› in what way stuffed?
01/08/2006 23:21:38 ‹Edward› I'd stick to that for now!
01/08/2006 23:22:27 ‹kevint› yo may not want to know this but occasonaly it takes two starts to find the
01/08/2006 23:22:32 ‹kevint› cm11
01/08/2006 23:22:42 ‹Edward› stuffed: no hex input on the ID column, no combo boxes on the device type column and wrong titles on all the columns
01/08/2006 23:22:57 ‹kevint› not a problem except when it is restarting unattended
01/08/2006 23:23:03 ‹Edward› No I didn't :-/
01/08/2006 23:23:23 ‹Edward› Hmmmm
01/08/2006 23:24:49 ‹Edward› You find the weirdest stuff! (I love you)
01/08/2006 23:24:50 ‹kevint› I think I did tell you about the device type dropdwn disappearring
01/08/2006 23:25:20 ‹kevint› and you are correct about those other probs in this version,
01/08/2006 23:25:21 ‹Edward› Don't remember - anyhow - fixed now as of this evening
01/08/2006 23:25:38 ‹kevint› I think I was editting the cionfig file to get it all going
01/08/2006 23:25:53 ‹Edward› Hacker!
01/08/2006 23:26:00 ‹kevint› sorry for missing them, must try harder
01/08/2006 23:26:32 ‹Edward› Your are my star beta tester!
01/08/2006 23:26:44 ‹Edward› Huge thanks for all your input
01/08/2006 23:26:55 ‹kevint› Did you fix the problem where adding a csv file to an existing config trashed the existing config?
01/08/2006 23:27:30 ‹Edward› Sigh - what?
01/08/2006 23:28:20 ‹kevint› At one point I was addiong a load of stuff, the motion sensors I think using the csv import
01/08/2006 23:28:35 ‹kevint› and the existing config got stuffed
01/08/2006 23:28:41 ‹Edward› No - wait - that's how it's designed.
01/08/2006 23:28:52 ‹kevint› iyt may have just been the kevin affect
01/08/2006 23:28:58 ‹Edward› So you want to append not replace
01/08/2006 23:29:15 ‹kevint› so csv import is a once only exercise?
01/08/2006 23:29:39 ‹Edward› That's how it was conceived
01/08/2006 23:29:46 ‹Edward› But you have a good point
01/08/2006 23:29:55 ‹kevint› ah well in that case it is working as designed !
01/08/2006 23:30:11 ‹Edward› But the design was crap
01/08/2006 23:30:15 ‹kevint› Thats probably why I edutted the config files
01/08/2006 23:30:26 ‹kevint› it got better.....
01/08/2006 23:30:44 ‹kevint› anyway I look frward to testing version 3
01/08/2006 23:30:55 ‹Edward› 2.6.1
01/08/2006 23:31:19 ‹Edward› 2.6.2 by the time I do the append CSV inport
01/08/2006 23:31:27 ‹kevint› I was assuming that when you went to the new ,net it would be version 3 or higher
01/08/2006 23:31:53 ‹kevint› ;)
01/08/2006 23:32:19 ‹Edward› Yes - but I took you advice to publish a release version of the one you've been testing
01/08/2006 23:32:40 ‹Edward› So the new one is still .net 1
01/08/2006 23:32:45 ‹kevint› We all appreciate that
01/08/2006 23:33:38 ‹Edward› Moving on - what about the new UID format - did that get discussed last week?
01/08/2006 23:34:07 ‹kevint› sorry I was in a bar in cyprus
01/08/2006 23:34:25 ‹kevint› thinking of you all of course
01/08/2006 23:35:25 ‹kevint› LAst I heard was that there is a problem with modifying the hub
01/08/2006 23:35:36 ‹kevint› and that we either need sb
01/08/2006 23:35:41 ‹kevint› or his source
01/08/2006 23:36:29 ‹kevint› kh??
01/08/2006 23:37:38 ‹kevint› ......
01/08/2006 23:37:52 ‹James› back
01/08/2006 23:38:13 ‹James› yes it all stopped cos teh xfx hubs only work with the 1.2 uid format
01/08/2006 23:38:20 ‹James› so chaging the uid is stuck
01/08/2006 23:38:59 ‹Edward› Is there an agreed format for it yet?
01/08/2006 23:39:10 ‹James› the acreement was for a NN.AAA:SSSS format where airi the A and S could expand
01/08/2006 23:39:47 ‹kevint› Is there source for Patricks Hub?
01/08/2006 23:39:50 ‹Edward› say that witout smileys
01/08/2006 23:40:09 ‹kevint› or is he willing to implement it?
01/08/2006 23:40:10 ‹James› NN . AAAA : SSSS
01/08/2006 23:40:26 ‹James› so standard xAP notation
01/08/2006 23:41:51 ‹Edward› expand at will or limited?
01/08/2006 23:43:18 ‹James› at will i thought
01/08/2006 23:43:38 ‹James› so a uid could be FF.1:0
01/08/2006 23:44:21 ‹Kevin H› The other bit was that we were going to generate a hash of the source addressto form AAAA
01/08/2006 23:44:40 ‹Kevin H› Actually we need a xAP app that does this
01/08/2006 23:44:50 ‹James› oh good point
01/08/2006 23:44:56 ‹Kevin H› target it and it returns your hash
01/08/2006 23:44:57 ‹James› a crc16 of the source
01/08/2006 23:45:03 * kevint disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 23:45:28 ‹Kevin H› but we were trying to avoid 0000 and FFxx being valid
01/08/2006 23:45:51 ‹Kevin H› as they are reserved currently
01/08/2006 23:46:16 ‹kevint› Sorry edward, back to the x10 connector, is my version more useable than that which is available on your site or should I update
01/08/2006 23:46:19 ‹Kevin H› although I am not sure we have to reserve FFxx anymore
01/08/2006 23:46:20 ‹kevint› J could you pop up on skype please
01/08/2006 23:47:22 ‹James› arh, loud ring ing noises.... house wakes up
01/08/2006 23:47:49 ‹kevint› sorry
01/08/2006 23:48:06 ‹Edward› I'll be putting a release version of X10 on the site tonight - same as yours but no debugging and config dialog fixed
01/08/2006 23:48:32 ‹Edward› I just checked the CVS import and it does append rather that replace
01/08/2006 23:48:59 ‹kevint› I will test that again then
01/08/2006 23:50:22 ‹James› kt, that log you sent is teh screensaver linking to no server?
01/08/2006 23:51:34 ‹kevint› yes, I thought i was being clever by turning off all intranet apps and the server to try to localise the problem
01/08/2006 23:52:06 ‹kevint› so some of the eror messages will be because no news
01/08/2006 23:52:11 ‹kevint› etc
01/08/2006 23:52:34 ‹James› the only cause i can think of is getting a corrupt picture or a download from the server.
01/08/2006 23:53:04 ‹James› but that log ended ina crash?
01/08/2006 23:53:40 ‹kevint› the clock was stuck, I could not stop the screensaver with keyboard or mouse
01/08/2006 23:53:57 ‹kevint› so had to ctrl alt del
01/08/2006 23:54:27 ‹James› hmm and it was a black screen with clock and logged on user only?
01/08/2006 23:55:44 * Edward disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 23:56:09 ‹kevint› yes thats it
01/08/2006 23:57:20 ‹James› ok, no idea then. i'll have to play
01/08/2006 23:58:38 ‹kevint› bear in mind that I have been having similar problems with the full set up, background rss, netcam weather
01/08/2006 23:59:57 ‹James› k, point taken
01/08/2006 00:00:27 ‹kevint› I didnt understand the hash app thing, being thick again...
01/08/2006 00:02:07 ‹James› it's the middle part of the new uid
01/08/2006 00:02:21 ‹James› instead of having to define one that is unique
01/08/2006 00:02:32 ‹James› you just crc16 the source address
01/08/2006 00:02:46 ‹James› that has is 4 hex characters long
01/08/2006 00:02:53 ‹James› has=hash
01/08/2006 00:03:21 ‹kevint› oh so to maintain compaitbility then?
01/08/2006 00:03:41 ‹James› no, as a way forward.
01/08/2006 00:04:12 ‹James› makes config much easier as you only need to define source and notr source + uid
01/08/2006 00:04:35 ‹kevint› ahh becoming clearer
01/08/2006 00:05:42 * kevint disconnected (timeout)
01/08/2006 00:06:56 ‹kevint› but its time for bed.


01/08/2006 00:06:57 ‹kevint› Good chat everyone !